Comments on: Why The UK Should Have Its Own Exascale AI/HPC Machine, And How https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/14/why-the-uk-should-have-its-own-exascale-ai-hpc-machine-and-how/ In-depth coverage of high-end computing at large enterprises, supercomputing centers, hyperscale data centers, and public clouds. Fri, 23 Aug 2024 18:13:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/14/why-the-uk-should-have-its-own-exascale-ai-hpc-machine-and-how/#comment-231881 Mon, 19 Aug 2024 20:09:42 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144525#comment-231881 In reply to Distant Watcher.

Point taken.

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By: Distant Watcher https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/14/why-the-uk-should-have-its-own-exascale-ai-hpc-machine-and-how/#comment-231558 Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:06:45 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144525#comment-231558 An interesting matching story to compare G8 countries (or is that G7 now) might be illuminating.

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By: Slartibartfast2024 https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/14/why-the-uk-should-have-its-own-exascale-ai-hpc-machine-and-how/#comment-231548 Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:27:49 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144525#comment-231548 In reply to Robin Collins.

It’s not a “government it farce”, it’s educational institutions and the science community. And we cannot afford *not* to do it.
The taxpayer doesn’t pay for anything except government debt, all government spending is newly created money, the only limit on government spending is what the markets think we can bear, capex doesn’t upset markets, free money in tax breaks does.

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By: Dave Shone https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/14/why-the-uk-should-have-its-own-exascale-ai-hpc-machine-and-how/#comment-231540 Fri, 16 Aug 2024 09:49:07 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144525#comment-231540 In reply to Robin Collins.

The UK’s national supercomputing facilities are far removed from the kind of systems that end-up as “government IT farce”; perhaps you’re thinking of things like Post Office Horizon, 2000s-era NHS spine and various other government/local government business systems.

Successive generations of facilities have largely been successful, productive, and cost-effective in the forty-plus years with which I’m familiar. As for cost to the taxpayer, the return on investment has been demonstrated to be many times the cost of building and and operating the systems — see, for example, the London Economics study: https://www.ukri.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/EPSRC-050722-ImpactEPSRCInvestmentsHighPerformanceComputingInfrastructure.pdf

The UK can’t afford not to remain competitive in this capability.

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By: TK https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/14/why-the-uk-should-have-its-own-exascale-ai-hpc-machine-and-how/#comment-231539 Fri, 16 Aug 2024 09:23:16 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144525#comment-231539 Your argument is what size of supercomputer do we deserve rather than do we need. UK research is consistently punching above it’s weight and national supercomputers primarily support that need. If you look at the H-index of the types of research that already benefit from computational infrastructure, the UK is consistently in the top four countries. Our proportion of the Top500 list, isn’t.

Some of that comparative efficiency is probably due to research being cross-funded by student fees (remember international student fees?)

Whether having a large supercomputer should lead to increased GDP would be for the Industrial Strategy to determine.

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By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/14/why-the-uk-should-have-its-own-exascale-ai-hpc-machine-and-how/#comment-231527 Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:31:22 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144525#comment-231527 In reply to Timothy Prickett Morgan.

That’s the on-CPU NUMA region–totally different.

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By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/14/why-the-uk-should-have-its-own-exascale-ai-hpc-machine-and-how/#comment-231526 Thu, 15 Aug 2024 23:30:40 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144525#comment-231526 In reply to Eddy Gone.

I’m talking Non-Uniform Memory Access across multiple nodes.

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By: Eddy Gone https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/14/why-the-uk-should-have-its-own-exascale-ai-hpc-machine-and-how/#comment-231519 Thu, 15 Aug 2024 19:00:31 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144525#comment-231519 In reply to Timothy Prickett Morgan.

Surely you are talking UMA, rather than NUMA? The Cray EX nodes each have 128 cores and 8 NUMA regions (so 16 cores sharing L3 memory per NUMA region)

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By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/14/why-the-uk-should-have-its-own-exascale-ai-hpc-machine-and-how/#comment-231516 Thu, 15 Aug 2024 18:44:54 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144525#comment-231516 In reply to Eddy Gone.

Not by any definition of NUMA that I know. It uses a two-socket node with AMD 32-core Epycs, with the nodes linked by two-port Slingshot Ethernet adapters over a Slingshot fabric. Slingshot is Ethernet, not NUMA. There is RDMA for sure, but not memory coherency over its 5,860 nodes.

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By: Robin Collins https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/14/why-the-uk-should-have-its-own-exascale-ai-hpc-machine-and-how/#comment-231510 Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:06:08 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144525#comment-231510 The UK doesn’t need yet another government IT farce and the taxpayer can’t afford this vanity project for the scientific elite.

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