Comments on: Why AMD Spent $4.9 Billion To Buy ZT Systems https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/19/why-amd-spent-4-9-billion-to-buy-zt-systems/ In-depth coverage of high-end computing at large enterprises, supercomputing centers, hyperscale data centers, and public clouds. Mon, 26 Aug 2024 17:01:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Michael Alan Bruzzone https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/19/why-amd-spent-4-9-billion-to-buy-zt-systems/#comment-232417 Thu, 22 Aug 2024 17:35:33 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144535#comment-232417 Why AMD Spent $4.9 Billion To Buy ZT Systems?

It was necessary?
Because Nvidia is now in the largescale systems (kit) business?
Because SuperMicro has always been in bed with Intel and Nvidia?
No matter how hard AMD trys to kit Epyc with Nvidia accelerators?

“AMD buy SuperMicro”, Intel’s 30-year system development partner like Dell Intel sales that is now Dell Nvidia sales.

It was necessary?

Whyt does Mercury under report AMD server share?
Never reporting on current generation.
Because Xeon might make a comeback dashing expectations?

Now let’s look at primary channel share leaving q2.

Bergamo + Genoa + Sienna + 4000 = 23% same as Mercury relies on ebay data
Emerald + Sapphire + Ice = 77%

AMD adding Milan Epyc channel increases to 32.7% and Intel drops to 67.2%.
AMD adding Rome Epyc channel increases to 46% and Intel drops to 54%.

AMD Bergamo + Genoa + Sienna = 54.7%
Intel Emerald Rapids + Sapphire = 45.2%

See how Mercury under reports AMD server share by not detailing all the options.

I do speculate this is about not [?] foretelling an Intel comeback and done purposely?

Mike Bruzzone, Camp Marketing

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By: emerth https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/19/why-amd-spent-4-9-billion-to-buy-zt-systems/#comment-232215 Wed, 21 Aug 2024 19:35:00 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144535#comment-232215 In reply to Timothy Prickett Morgan.

Fair points. I hope to see AMD spec’d and branded systems though.

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By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/19/why-amd-spent-4-9-billion-to-buy-zt-systems/#comment-232152 Wed, 21 Aug 2024 13:19:26 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144535#comment-232152 In reply to emerth.

They can control the manufacturing process without it being on their books, just like Google, Microsoft, AWS, and Meta do. Nvidia doesn’t literally make DGX machines, but it has them made to its specs. And probably by Supermicro, if we had to guess.

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By: emerth https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/19/why-amd-spent-4-9-billion-to-buy-zt-systems/#comment-232052 Wed, 21 Aug 2024 04:05:55 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144535#comment-232052 Leave aside the matter of capturing more of the revenue stream, and leave aside the matter of branding.

Nvidia benefits from a shorter time frame to cycle learnings about manufacturimg back into the chip biz, also from that the mfg and chip sides have incentive to transparency with eachother. There is a synergy in doing both.

If AMD is sucessful in challenging Nvidia then there will be plenty of demand to go around. I think AMD should keep a mfg arm as long as it is profitable. What is a bunch of mfg engineers without factories to play with – a sinking resource IMO.

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By: Bob is confused https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/19/why-amd-spent-4-9-billion-to-buy-zt-systems/#comment-231933 Tue, 20 Aug 2024 14:45:05 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144535#comment-231933 I don’t see the business case here; from the article it seems like they intend to spend $5B for a company whose products and services they intend to discontinue. As for the workforce, their focus has been the business being shuttered, and while surely AMD can find related work for many to do, the bureaucratic costs for integration will likely be immense (like with the ATI takeover, which at least continued to produce and sell ATI products in the mean time and GPUs were analogous to CPUs). The DGX product line mentioned at the end of the article seems orthogonal to AMD’s strategy: that seemed to be an organic, proprietary development, manufactured in house, that displaced integrators/system builders.

I agree open systems designed for composability/reusability require more engineering effort to achieve good performance across use cases and it’s important to get expertise in those use cases but either direct hiring to acquire it or placing AMD engineers on customer design teams seems much better than trying to figure out what to do with 1100 experienced system engineers (which ideally would each be strategically placed). I’m sure there are a dozen or more engineers who would pivot easily from rack-level design to board or chip level design (or design for test, which seems even more of a reach) but how good will AMD be at finding those (without just assigning everyone the new training/tasking and seeing who can hack it)?

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By: Calamity Jim https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/19/why-amd-spent-4-9-billion-to-buy-zt-systems/#comment-231929 Tue, 20 Aug 2024 12:23:00 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144535#comment-231929 A brilliant chess move by AMD here, tripling its number of systems engineers and simultaneously making a 1,000 of them no longer available to competitor(s)! I wonder which type of (meditatively mind-blowing) workload-specific accelerator IP might find its way into CPU/GPU sockets as a consequence of the resulting systems-oriented analyses … computational Qigong chiplets?!

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By: Patrice https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/19/why-amd-spent-4-9-billion-to-buy-zt-systems/#comment-231905 Tue, 20 Aug 2024 06:36:59 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144535#comment-231905 Great move by AMD.
I’ve read that ZT made 10B of revenue, so a 10% revenue bump, for 5B. The bad news is that ZT seems to operate with really low margin and AMD business have also low margin… Maybe Lisa will charge more for the added value, could help.
AMD is definitely closing the gap on NVIDIA, who doesn’t have a lot of choices, a 20B takeover won’t move the needle too much for a 3T company, so it’s internal growth or a really big acquisition, I hope for NVIDIA that they will be able to keep pushing the 1st one.
Regarding data center and A.I, AMD is really confident that the trend will pursue well after 2025.

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By: MutzManMike https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/19/why-amd-spent-4-9-billion-to-buy-zt-systems/#comment-231889 Tue, 20 Aug 2024 01:05:00 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144535#comment-231889 This is an interesting acquisition. One would imagine the hyperscalers all use ZT to build their chassis and integrate racks. Now being owned by AMD has the potential to scare off hyperscalers since AMD has an inside look at their in house components.

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By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/19/why-amd-spent-4-9-billion-to-buy-zt-systems/#comment-231885 Tue, 20 Aug 2024 00:16:41 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144535#comment-231885 In reply to Carl Schumacher.

I think you make a good point. The Ramapo fault is not that far away!

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By: Carl Schumacher https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/08/19/why-amd-spent-4-9-billion-to-buy-zt-systems/#comment-231884 Mon, 19 Aug 2024 23:39:38 +0000 https://www.nextplatform.com/?p=144535#comment-231884 Early in this millennium I spent a decade supporting hundreds of Solaris & Linux servers (along with their EMC storage pals) in Secaucus for Connecticut and Manhattan based firms…I wondered if the amount of fiber optic lines coming into said server-friendly NYC suburb were enough to stop plate tectonics in that area. // Earth as a fiberglass mesh? Hmmm

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