Comments on: The Dollars And Sense Of Nvidia Paying A Fortune For Arm https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/07/31/the-dollars-and-sense-of-nvidia-paying-a-fortune-for-arm/ In-depth coverage of high-end computing at large enterprises, supercomputing centers, hyperscale data centers, and public clouds. Mon, 14 Sep 2020 04:07:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Antonio https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/07/31/the-dollars-and-sense-of-nvidia-paying-a-fortune-for-arm/#comment-153619 Wed, 02 Sep 2020 20:39:42 +0000 http://www.nextplatform.com/?p=136868#comment-153619 In reply to Mark.

There is a tremendous difference between designing an IP and putting out a chip. I have worked for two of the three companies you mention.

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By: Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/07/31/the-dollars-and-sense-of-nvidia-paying-a-fortune-for-arm/#comment-153142 Sat, 29 Aug 2020 14:31:09 +0000 http://www.nextplatform.com/?p=136868#comment-153142 In reply to Cristian Vasile.

You make a valid point. Nvidia does indeed make servers and handheld game consoles. Why not? And yes, I probably would buy an Nvidia laptop–if I was spending someone else’s money….

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By: Cristian Vasile https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/07/31/the-dollars-and-sense-of-nvidia-paying-a-fortune-for-arm/#comment-153136 Sat, 29 Aug 2020 12:59:58 +0000 http://www.nextplatform.com/?p=136868#comment-153136 Apple does not have a line of business for corporations, however it has exceeded 2000 billion valuation.
I did not see why NVIDIA cannot start selling ARM based laptops, notebooks, tablets etc. They have a strong brand on consumer business, very good video boards, distribution channels and powerful management. And money.
There are rumors related to MS Windows OS for ARM processors, maybe we did not see the big picture.
Would you buy a NVIDIA laptop Tim?

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By: Neutral_Is_the_formula https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/07/31/the-dollars-and-sense-of-nvidia-paying-a-fortune-for-arm/#comment-151204 Tue, 04 Aug 2020 23:42:40 +0000 http://www.nextplatform.com/?p=136868#comment-151204 Sounds more like some of the other Big ARM Interests would rather have ARM Holdings back as a publicly traded company and not in any current Processor Maker’s hands! So maybe the major players in the ARM based Industry can convince Softbank to take ARM Holdings Public and maybe let the investors set the price. But Softbank should have never been allowed to take ARM Holdings private but that’s been done and not much can be done about that.

Let’s hope that ARM Holdings can remain as a more neutral IP provider and Publicly Owned as well.

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By: Mark https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/07/31/the-dollars-and-sense-of-nvidia-paying-a-fortune-for-arm/#comment-151196 Tue, 04 Aug 2020 21:45:47 +0000 http://www.nextplatform.com/?p=136868#comment-151196 In reply to jipe4153.

Any company is only as good as its workforce… and Arm has very good engineers. However, Apple and Qualcomm, for example, both have superior chips to anything Arm has put out.

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By: Jin Liu https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/07/31/the-dollars-and-sense-of-nvidia-paying-a-fortune-for-arm/#comment-151181 Tue, 04 Aug 2020 16:49:16 +0000 http://www.nextplatform.com/?p=136868#comment-151181 Good analysis! Softbank’s $32B for ARM is crazy, too high, a big bubble. If ARM64 could get a sensible DC market share is questionable. From Mainframe ($XM/Unit) to Minicomputer ($X00Ks/each) to Workstation ($X0K/each) to X86 Server ($XK/each), each transition delivers at least 10X performance/cost improvement, and the most important factor in workstation to X86 server transition is the huge software developed on X86 desktops. What are the gains the ARM64 brings to the data center? 20% more power eficient? Software Bank paid too much for ARM. The valuations come from two: 1. current money making; 2. potential to make money. Where are the potentials for ARM to grow significantly? The smartphone market peak has passed, and how much money ARM could make from IoT and Autos? Anything over $15B seems overpriced.

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By: Flemming Christensen https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/07/31/the-dollars-and-sense-of-nvidia-paying-a-fortune-for-arm/#comment-151140 Tue, 04 Aug 2020 08:06:04 +0000 http://www.nextplatform.com/?p=136868#comment-151140 It’s much simpler than you all think. Spending $50b can be allocated as recruitment fees for a large number of silicon designers, software experts, etc. – with the added bonus that all current users of ARM will have to move away from NVIDIA’s ARM division and cause problems for the likes of Samsung, Qualcomm, NXP and Xilinx. I am sure Apple has got Plan-No-ARM in place already.

RICS-V for new World Domination of Embedded solutions.

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By: Matt https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/07/31/the-dollars-and-sense-of-nvidia-paying-a-fortune-for-arm/#comment-151120 Tue, 04 Aug 2020 04:14:48 +0000 http://www.nextplatform.com/?p=136868#comment-151120 In reply to Rakesh Cheerla.

Color me skeptical. I think ARM does a lot that people aren’t going to do open source and people aren’t going to want to do themselves if they can avoid it. And if a move to RISC-V were to happen, I think it would happen anyway, I’m not sure a sale to NVIDIA would accelerate it.

ARM wasn’t making money or generating much revenue. Things that don’t make money must be unlocked, if possible, or supported. And once it starts being supported it’s going to become a mess. Are CPU cores the same as OS kernals? An OS kernal seems like a utility. People can make requests and things can be added. Competitive CPU cores need innovation. Isn’t it a whole lot easier to innovate a CPU core when you have control over the ISA?

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By: Rakesh Cheerla https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/07/31/the-dollars-and-sense-of-nvidia-paying-a-fortune-for-arm/#comment-151102 Tue, 04 Aug 2020 00:01:55 +0000 http://www.nextplatform.com/?p=136868#comment-151102 The deal will provide momentum for RISC-V – take it from an embedded play to a server play – could be good for the industry!

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By: Michael A Bruzzone https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/07/31/the-dollars-and-sense-of-nvidia-paying-a-fortune-for-arm/#comment-151079 Mon, 03 Aug 2020 17:24:58 +0000 http://www.nextplatform.com/?p=136868#comment-151079 At what price can Nvidia actually acquire the Arm Holdings business from SoftBank so it makes economic sense?

Synopsis annual revenue, they’re both EDA tools and design kit enterprise, is twice that of Holdings. SNPS market cap is currently $30 Billion.

To Nvidia ARM is worth another business as process saturates, only of which a small portion is valuable to Nvidia’s core business, ARM would place Nvidia into an entirely different type of business that is certainly a life boat.

As a once licensee partner manager at ARM Inc., no licensee would approve being placed under Nvidia’s umbrella. ARM Holdings umbrella is often times in recent years questioned by licensees many of which to get out from under ARM procured architectural licenses to better control their own destinies.

ARM acquisition by Softbank for $32 billion, during a divergence of public and market attention parallel the UK EU referendum, parliamentary lack of attention purposefully timed by some for ARMs take at a price to good to be true and that no one would match. This was an IP grab by Softbank and a personal power grab by some operating within Holdings. The IP grab has obviously gone stale. And it not that ARM did not need the money, as the regular frequency of stock price pops between A15 and A72 space slowed in time.

Pursuant Softbank ARM, ARM value is questionable until sorting out security of ARM competitive IP, if, and how much has fallen into the hands of cartel syndicate operations.

Best option is for the British government to nationalize ARM while the security of competitive IP is determined, which will be difficult if and until it shows up at any legitimate foundry operation. Then, too reprivatize ARM I would suggest a consortium of foundry operations into process production which foundries definitively rely and the design tool and whole kit divisions.

ARM is worth a couple of crown jewels which is what the crown jewels are for; emergencies.

Mike Bruzzone, Camp Marketing

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